hm. i'm completely with you on what they did, and that it was much worse than most people even realize. up to the bit where you equate it with rape. i don't like such comparisons to be slung around easily, and this is too easy. it was an exploitative and oppressive violation, but as a survivor, no, it wasn't comparable to rape in my book.
i dislike RPF in general. i think it's fundamentally disrespectful of people's ownership over their private lives, and as such i generally don't think that kink is ok (and please, i don't want to start an argument about that; i am just mentioning it to provide personal background).
however, i'm (barely) ok with alchemia's piece of art. it's very, very close to the line for me, but comes down just this side of it, for reasons i've listed in a's journal.
your piece, even though i admit i laughed, and quoted especially purple bits to a friend in IM, feels right now like it comes down just on the other side of that line. not so much because of the piece itself, mind -- i don't see the rape others see in either alchemia's work or yours; in both "sai" and "ogi" are having consensual sex. no, but because you posted it in ogi's journal; you shoved it in his face, and it feels like you used sex to humiliate those guys.
that feels ... different to me from using sex to point out how obnoxiously rotten their "research" was. i understand the anger (i am getting steadily angrier at those two the more i think about what they did). i understand the need for catharsis. but the striking back in anger makes me deeply uncomfortable, and using sex to do it niggles even more.
so, i am conflicted. writing sex to humiliate somebody feels wrong to me. using sex as a medium for expression, on the other hand, like what i feel alchemia did, feels acceptable, even if it's close to the line. i can't really put my finger on why i think you did the humiliation thing and alchemia didn't -- and mind, i have no idea whether i am even right. i just have these impressions, and am pondering.
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Date: 2009-09-04 05:26 am (UTC)i dislike RPF in general. i think it's fundamentally disrespectful of people's ownership over their private lives, and as such i generally don't think that kink is ok (and please, i don't want to start an argument about that; i am just mentioning it to provide personal background).
however, i'm (barely) ok with alchemia's piece of art. it's very, very close to the line for me, but comes down just this side of it, for reasons i've listed in a's journal.
your piece, even though i admit i laughed, and quoted especially purple bits to a friend in IM, feels right now like it comes down just on the other side of that line. not so much because of the piece itself, mind -- i don't see the rape others see in either alchemia's work or yours; in both "sai" and "ogi" are having consensual sex. no, but because you posted it in ogi's journal; you shoved it in his face, and it feels like you used sex to humiliate those guys.
that feels ... different to me from using sex to point out how obnoxiously rotten their "research" was. i understand the anger (i am getting steadily angrier at those two the more i think about what they did). i understand the need for catharsis. but the striking back in anger makes me deeply uncomfortable, and using sex to do it niggles even more.
so, i am conflicted. writing sex to humiliate somebody feels wrong to me. using sex as a medium for expression, on the other hand, like what i feel alchemia did, feels acceptable, even if it's close to the line. i can't really put my finger on why i think you did the humiliation thing and alchemia didn't -- and mind, i have no idea whether i am even right. i just have these impressions, and am pondering.